Friday, June 5, 2009

Don't be deceived by teh gays!!

A recent Gallup poll found something logical to be true: people who know gay people are more likely to support gay marriage than people who don't.



Of course, this has elicited an equally predictable response from the Christian right. From the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission:

According to Gallop [sic], “While 57% of Americans oppose legalizing gay marriage, Americans who personally know someone who is gay or lesbian are almost evenly divided on the matter, with 49% in favor and 47% opposed. Among those who do not personally know anyone who is gay, 72% oppose legalized gay marriage while just 27% favor it.”

Who you allow into your life, and especially that of your children, really matters. The Apostle Paul said it this way, “Don’t be deceived: Bad company corrupts good morals (1 Cor.15:33, NASB).

The natural human tendency is to be deceived in situations when we associate with openly sinful people. Human sentimentality kicks in and biblical thinking is set aside. We rationalize and justify behaviors in people we know more than in people we don’t.

This applies to more than homosexuality; it touches other sins as well. Of course, because there is a powerful deceptive dynamic you will be tempted to say, “Having close relationships with the ungodly will not affect me.” Don’t be deceived!

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Proverbs 13:20 warns, “He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will be destroyed.” (NKJV)
OK, so first off, we've got the curious fact that whoever wrote this used two different versions of the Bible for his quotes. I wonder why that could be. According to the New American Standard Bible (the one quoted above), 1 Corinthians 15:33 says:
Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."
In the New King James Version, however, it says:
Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.”
Well, morals are clearly way worse things to have corrupted than habits, so it's pretty obvious why he chose the NASB version for that particular verse. But why the NKJV for the next? Perhaps because the NKJV version of Proverbs 13:20 says:
He who walks with wise men will be wise,
But the companion of fools will be destroyed.
Whereas in the NASB, it reads:
He who walks with wise men will be wise,
But the companion of fools will suffer harm.
So there you have it. The douche who wrote this article wants to make sure his minions know that if they hang out with homos, they'll have their morals corrupted and will be destroyed (not have their habits corrupted and suffer harm), even if it takes him 57 versions of the Bible to prove it. I'm sorry, but that's total bullshit. These are the same people who claim that everyone who doesn't understand the Scripture the way they do is either reading it wrong or willfully corrupting people. They cannot expect to promote themselves as true followers of the Bible while willfully picking and choosing not only which verses they follow, but which versions they quote, all to suit their own ends (which, by the way, bear little to no similarity to the moral ideas espoused by Christ).

Mark 5:27-32 says:
After this, Jesus went out and saw a tax collector by the name of Levi sitting at his tax booth. "Follow me," Jesus said to him, and Levi got up, left everything and followed him.

Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Now, don't misunderstand me. I do not believe for one second it is a sin to be gay. Just want to clarify that. But these people do, and still they break the commandments of the Man they claim to follow. Jesus didn't go around avoiding people, or even telling his followers to avoid people, for fear they might be morally corrupted. Hell, He wasn't even afraid of leprosy. The guy was a champion of the downtrodden. He was a champion of the people whom his conservative, religious society excluded. I find it amazing that so many Christians do not see the parallels between the time of Christ and today's American society. Can they really claim that Jesus would go around avoiding anyone, even if He did believe them to be sinners?


Clearly they can, but clearly they're wrong. WTFWJD?

60 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jocelyn,

I'm taking on the title of "The One Who Says You Have to Read the 'Bible My Way' ". Even though I never said that anyone has to read it my way... just sayin' to read it the way it was written. Period. That the bible itself says (in "your" NIV =) ) "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had it's origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God by the Holy Spirit." 2 Pet 1:20-21 Then in the 3rd chapter 1:16b-17 parenthesis mine "His (Paul) letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable ppl distort, as they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by lawless men and fall from your secure position."

It seems like you worked hard on this post, but even with the two translations you posted, I still fail to see your point. The Scripture essentially says the same thing, which as you pointed out (only to make a different point) is just plain common sense. Logic. "Be careful about the company you keep." Yes, Jesus was a friend of sinners, however, being a friend to someone is a lot different than "keeping company" and "walking with" someone. Jesus would recline at the table with sinners... have dinner with them yes, but He didn't stand on the street corner with the prostitutes and tax collectors when they were in business. In fact Jesus asked the tax collector in this case, to "follow Him", and "he got up and left everything." He left his sin. Agreed? In other words, using homosexuality (b/c I'm one of those RADICAL and Hateful Christians that does in fact believe the Bible when it says that homosexuality is indeed a sin), it may surprise you to know that my husband and I have a lot of loved ones who are homosexual. We talk on the phone, email, etc. Have dinner, coffee, holiday gatherings etc. We do not, however, engage in any of their homosexual interests (i.e we don't go to "drag night" at the local club). That's keeping company. You see the difference? Do you see that there aren't any inconsistencies there with the Scripture, the commentary of who you so lovingly referred to as the "Douche Bag" and Jesus' life and ministry?

~Andrea

Rochelle said...

Obvious troll is obvious.

Self said...

just sayin' to read it the way it was written.

Ah, that'd be in ye olde Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. Personally, I struggle with languages that contain no vowels, punctuation and a limited vocabulary.

Hannah said...

I find it incredibly difficult to read the Bible "the way it was written" since I have never been a member of a 1st century desert society. Language issues (thank you, Self) aside, the fact that I read Scripture with the heart and mind of a 21st century urban, American woman changes the that way I read it. If I'm wrong I guess I'd better figure out how to send my tax return to Ceasar next April - isn't that what Jesus said? Christianity doesn't occur in a vacuum, if the Word of God isn't interpreted to make sense as the world changes doesn't it lose it's relevance?

Anonymous said...

Feel free to use the original language... it makes for a much richer experience in learning. Again, it doesn't change the overall message of the Bible.

Should you pay your taxes to Cesar? If you want. However, I would think it wise to only pay them to your government... would save you some money... and some embarrassment. When Jesus said to "render to Cesar what is Cesar's", He was saying what was later clarified (no doubt for anyone who didn't want to get it): "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore He who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves." IDK, call me ZAINEY, but I think that's pretty relevant for today.

As King Solomon told us in Ecclesiastes, "There is nothing new under the sun". The Bible tells us that God's Word is eternal. How can you, being a 21st century American woman, change the relevance? What would you like to discuss, that you think is not relevant for today? "For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope." Rom 15:4.

The entire Word of God is written for us today... it's what it's there for. "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2Tim 3:16-17 Yeah, you're right... this could be taken to mean just about anything... and it has nothing to with today.
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Self said...

Andrea also never mixes dairy with meat, eats lobster or touches men while having her period. Most societies in the world don't really consider such things to be particularly relevant in today's world.

This is all entirely off-topic though - you know gay people, and you have no problem in knowing them. The statistics in Jocelyn's post indicate that people need to know them, not *ahem* "go to drag night" with them (Really? Drag night?).

And the CADC effectively is telling people to avoid the company of gay people. Just knowing them, they say, is all it takes to corrupt one's views on marriage.

You don't have a problem with the crux of Jocelyn's argument - that this is patently false. Instead, you're busy arguing about interpretation and reading of the Bible. It's an interesting topic, but it isn't the one at hand.

Hannah said...

Thank you Andrea, you have proved my point exactly. If you want to find relevance in the Word of God you have to interpret those words through your own experience in a way that gives them meaning in your life.

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